A Deep Dive into Fantasy Art Collecting: The Red Dot Challenge
In this episode of Behind the Studio Door, we dive into the innovative concept of the Red Dot Challenge, a fantasy art collecting game designed to enhance engagement within the Rochester art community. This unique initiative, orchestrated by Rome Celli, aims to cultivate a deeper appreciation for local artists while simultaneously fostering a vibrant atmosphere for art enthusiasts. We delve into the intricacies of this game, exploring how it not only encourages participants to experience art in real-time but also prompts them to visit various venues across the region. Joining the conversation is Su Begy, an artist, collector, and Molly's mentor! Join us for another glimpse behind the studio door!
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Transcript
Welcome back to behind the Studio Door.
Speaker A:I'm your host, Molly Darling, along with our producer, Chris Lindstrom.
Speaker A:Christian is not with us today, but you're here.
Speaker B:I'm an adequate substitute for the chaos energy, and I will try to bring it as much as possible.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:Thanks for stepping in.
Speaker A:Today we're diving into the world of art collecting, but with a twist.
Speaker A:I'm joined by Rome Celli, organize of Rochester Art Collectors and mastermind behind the Red Dot Challenge, which is a fantasy art collecting game that's bringing a whole new level of engagement to the local art scene.
Speaker A:Also with us is my mentor, Sue Baggy, an incredible artist, fantasy collector, participant, and my own.
Speaker A:And yeah, like I said, my mentor will be talking about the inspiration behind this unique game, how it's going, what's going on.
Speaker A:So thank you guys so much for coming on the show.
Speaker A:You're welcome.
Speaker C:This is so exciting.
Speaker D:The crowd roars.
Speaker A:The crowd roars.
Speaker A:They're all here for you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Welcome to the show.
Speaker A:So I'd love to start us off with Rome.
Speaker A:Can you tell us a little bit about yourself, Rochester art collectors and like the inception of this project?
Speaker C:Not too much to talk about.
Speaker C:Myself, born in Rochester, live in Rochester, live in the upper Monroe neighborhood off of Monroe Avenue near Cobbs Hill.
Speaker C:And Rochester art collector started.
Speaker C:Oh, my gosh, it's seven years.
Speaker C:Is that possible?
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Time makes no sense anymore around the notion.
Speaker C:A couple of notions, really.
Speaker C:That first, that there was really no organization that was devoted to supporting collecting art and that it was a missing piece of the ecosystem, the arts ecosystem.
Speaker C:There was lots of support for, not lots of support for artists, but there's certainly support for artists.
Speaker C:There's a lot of classes so forth, and art appreciation in general, but no one that was really modeling good behavior, if you will, in collecting art.
Speaker C:And it was also for me, that was an important part of how to support local artists.
Speaker C:So the emphasis here is in supporting local artists and venues that promote local artists.
Speaker A:Amazing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And what about.
Speaker A:So tell us about this Red Dot Challenge.
Speaker A:I wanted to have you on the show so you could tell me your story.
Speaker C:Someone please explain this thing to me.
Speaker C:Well, I'm just going to read a little bit, so bear with me.
Speaker C:I apologize.
Speaker C:Red Dot Challenge is a fantasy art collecting game with a social media twist that takes place in real time at real places with real art, and everybody gets to participate alongside the player.
Speaker C:So there are players engaging in the game very directly, and then the public sort of engages on a separate and parallel Course to that.
Speaker C:And we can talk more about that.
Speaker A:As we go along.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:So when you say fantasy art, what does that mean in practice?
Speaker A:What's actually happening here?
Speaker C:Well, the art can be fantastic, and the fantasy.
Speaker B:Mostly airbrushed work on the side of the panel dance.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Lots of unicorns.
Speaker C:You know, if you think about fantasy football, it really is a way that the audience engages in the game that's different than actually playing it.
Speaker C:So I'm not making any art.
Speaker C:I'm not an artist, but I love art, and I love to engage with the arts as much as I possibly can.
Speaker C:So this is really a way for everyone to enjoy art that doesn't require any money.
Speaker C:There's no money involved in this game at all.
Speaker C:It's not a fundraiser.
Speaker C:There's no advertising.
Speaker C:There's no sponsors.
Speaker C:We're winging it.
Speaker C:This is just strictly for the fun of it.
Speaker C:And so this is a way for people who say, well, I really have enough money to buy art because it's a fantasy game.
Speaker C:No one's actually.
Speaker C:Well, people do actually buy it, but not as part of the game.
Speaker C:And it also is for people who say, well, I've got enough art already.
Speaker C:My walls are full.
Speaker C:Or young people that just move all the time, and they can't accumulate stuff and just carry it from one apartment to the other.
Speaker C:And they get roommates, and it's awkward.
Speaker C:And what do they have up and what don't they have up?
Speaker C:And does the roommate okay with that?
Speaker C:So it sort of eliminates all the boundaries and allows people a point of entry to experience engaging with art in a way that's very personal.
Speaker C:You have some level of investment in the decision.
Speaker C:And there are disciplines as well, which is to say there's a financial discipline.
Speaker C:People get a fantasy art art budget, and they have to.
Speaker C:And we can talk more about the details of that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And, sue, you're an artist, but you're also our participant in this fantasy art challenge.
Speaker A:Tell me about what that process was like for you.
Speaker D:And I also collect art myself.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker D:So I have what I think is a fantastic art collection.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:So I had a high budget.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:$10,000.
Speaker D:I had a $10,000 budget.
Speaker D:And I approached this fantasy game pretty much the same way I approached collecting art.
Speaker D:Some was from my friends who are artists.
Speaker D:Then I know their work, and I'm engaged in conversation with them.
Speaker D:And other pieces were simply because they just grabbed me in some way.
Speaker B:So, as an individual, when you're not participating in the game, what are the Kind of things you typically like to collect.
Speaker B:Is there a style?
Speaker B:Is there a theme beyond just people?
Speaker D:I'm kind of all over the place, but I definitely am biased towards things that are a little quirky and, like, you know that.
Speaker D:Will you double take?
Speaker B:You, like, that shock factor when somebody looks at it or.
Speaker D:It's not so much shock.
Speaker D:It's just weird in some way.
Speaker D:Like, for instance, this one piece I bought in Santa Fe.
Speaker D:I went to the opening, and this artist had done all these pieces of.
Speaker D:They were like carapaces and body parts of animals.
Speaker D:And then she said, I need something human.
Speaker D:And she's Native American.
Speaker D:And she looked.
Speaker D:Her brother was there.
Speaker D:She said, I looked at my brother, and I looked at his ponytail, and he said, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker D:And then he just leaned his head over and he said, all right.
Speaker D:And she chopped up his ponytail, and I have a piece that has his ponytail.
Speaker C:No kidding.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker D:It's an awesome piece.
Speaker B:That's also a very specific thing in that community.
Speaker B:That's not a subtle thing to do.
Speaker B:Like, when I cut off my beard the other day, it was like, bah, I'm gonna cut it off.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:It doesn't have that weight, that cultural weight, and to have that as part of a serious piece.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's a great story, but it also has a weight to it.
Speaker D:Absolutely.
Speaker D:Absolutely.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:So I think I love work that incorporates a lot of different things, but is still visually unified and.
Speaker D:And skillful.
Speaker A:Mm.
Speaker C:Yeah, I'm still thinking about that hair.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, I want to see that piece now.
Speaker D:Well, you're going to have to come over, I guess.
Speaker A:So how did that affect your fantasy art collecting?
Speaker A:And what did this look like in.
Speaker A:In practical terms?
Speaker A:So, like, you were approached by Rome, right.
Speaker A:You approached these artists and gave them a fantasy budget, and then how did it look like, the process of collecting?
Speaker A:Did you take pictures of things and, like, send it along?
Speaker A:Like, how did this actually work?
Speaker D:Well, Rome is very organized, and he puts all the.
Speaker D:So much work into making this happen.
Speaker C:Super nerdy.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:We took pictures at the venue, and then what we needed was the title of the piece, the price of the piece, the name of the artist, the name of the venue, and that was pretty much it.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:The players had to go to venues in person.
Speaker C:So this was not the sort of thing you go online, see what picture you like, and grab, do a screenshot and throw it in.
Speaker C:You have to go to Rochester Contemporary.
Speaker C:You have to go to Frank's Chop Shop, look Around and take photos of the individual pieces and then choose which one you want to select for your fantasy art collection.
Speaker A:That's really cool.
Speaker A:So it's like a fantasy art collecting game, but you are required to show up in.
Speaker A:In real life, in person, in community.
Speaker A:I'm sure you had conversations with artists when you were going to venues.
Speaker A:Like, were there.
Speaker A:What was your process, sue, for picking pieces?
Speaker A:Was it just like, like you said, something stood out to you?
Speaker A:Were there certain ones that are really memorable in your fantasy collection?
Speaker D:There are, there's.
Speaker D:There's one piece that I just loved the materials.
Speaker D:It was LED lights and glass.
Speaker D:And I just.
Speaker D:I just found it kind of dazzling in a way.
Speaker D:And it was a.
Speaker D:It was a piece from the small work show at Main Street Arts, which I had not been to and which this game prompted me to go to.
Speaker D:And it's a fantastic.
Speaker C:Clifton Springs, New York.
Speaker C:So, yes, the game extended to six counties.
Speaker C:You could go in a six.
Speaker C:It was a six county area.
Speaker C:So Clifton Springs is in Ontario County.
Speaker A:That's really fantastic.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I'm kind of interested.
Speaker B:So when it comes to fantasy sports, there's a set scoring rubric.
Speaker B:And if we're talking spreadsheets and we're talking scoring.
Speaker A:Oh, now he's gotten into it.
Speaker B:So how does the game part of it work?
Speaker B:How does the scoring work?
Speaker C:I'm so glad you asked because one of the things we wanted to avoid is the notion that one collection would be better than another collection.
Speaker C:So that was not a part of the game.
Speaker C:So we, we did.
Speaker C:There was a kind of a scoring, scoring opportunities or competition opportunities within the game.
Speaker C:But it, it happened really in the public side, not on the player side.
Speaker C:And what I was tracking with maybe box scores would be some way to think of it, was how many pieces were acquired in each week, how much they paid for them, what were they, what they were paying on average, and making some comparisons.
Speaker C:And as I said, we'll probably get into some more of the detail.
Speaker C:But there were not just one level of budget, $10,000, but there was a $5,000 budget level and a $1,000 budget level.
Speaker C:So there were 12 players with four not competing, but comparing in three levels.
Speaker C:So four at the thousand dollar level, four at the $5,000 level, and four at the $10,000 level so that the community could observe different visions of collections at different price ranges.
Speaker A:That's really smart.
Speaker C:And each.
Speaker C:Each collector, all across all the ranges had to acquire at least seven works.
Speaker C:So you couldn't just get one piece right that's not really a collection.
Speaker C:I mean, not a collection that you could really make any assumptions about themes and so forth.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You really gave it a lot of breadth and depth to grow in whatever direction the artist, participants wanted to grow.
Speaker A:And I love that there was a stipulation to not just buy one piece because, you know, you could buy a piece for $10,000.
Speaker A:It doesn't really tell you much about the collector or the artists or the community that they're part of, which feels like a big, big part of this game was really so true.
Speaker C:That was to connect community, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:What was it like collaborating with all the participants?
Speaker A:Like, were there any connections?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What was.
Speaker A:What was, like, memorable or unexp.
Speaker A:Unexpected, Maybe interactions from this process for you?
Speaker C:It was fascinating for me because I'm now watching it kind of in real time, and it does happen in real time.
Speaker C:But I observe, for example, some of the players acquiring, in one case, nearly 20 pieces, and in some cases just the minimum seven.
Speaker C:So some people chose to buy a lot of work within their budget, and some people chose to be very particular about it and watching them assemble it one at a time.
Speaker C:So it's happening in sequence.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:In real life, when you buy art, you don't, you know, look back to two years ago and get that piece and get sort of this perfect collection over.
Speaker C:You have to do it in real time sequentially.
Speaker C:And one of the rules was that if another player acquired the work, you couldn't also have it in your collection, because in real life, if somebody buys it, there's only one.
Speaker C:So it was sort of fun.
Speaker C:And we had several cases in which somebody acquired a work and then somebody else wanted to have it in their fantasy collection and they couldn't have it.
Speaker C:And they were sad.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, there should have been a trade.
Speaker B:We need a trade system now.
Speaker C:Interesting.
Speaker A:Ooh, a new level for maybe your next season.
Speaker A:Some sort of internal bartering system.
Speaker A:How was that process like for you, Sue?
Speaker A:Did you have any pieces that you wanted to get that you weren't able to, or.
Speaker D:There was one piece, not because another player purchased it, but because I had actually seen the work prior to the game, and I haven't been able to forget about this painting.
Speaker D:And I contacted the artist directly, and it's in a venue.
Speaker D:It's up at the 9th Floor Collective shout out to Yacoob and all those.
Speaker D:It's one of Yakub's pieces.
Speaker D:So it's a painting that I just keep thinking about, and I didn't Hear back from him.
Speaker D:I think I waited too late at the end of the game, so I just missed it.
Speaker C:For that reason, we did have a number of players who their strategy was to identify and go to venues that either they weren't familiar with or that are sort of the lesser known venues.
Speaker C:And just as a note, we chose the time of year from November 1st to the end of January because there are more works for sale during that period of time than any other time of the year.
Speaker C:So Rochester Contemporary has their member show.
Speaker C:It's 500 works of art.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:So if you want to find 7, chances are pretty good you can probably find them all there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it's floor to ceiling.
Speaker A:It's floor enough space.
Speaker C:But you know, there's also the Joy Gallery on West Main Street.
Speaker C:There's ninth floor.
Speaker A:Shout out to Lavon Chapel.
Speaker C:All sorts of small venues around town.
Speaker C:Coffee shops and hair salons and offices.
Speaker C:Do you know that there's over 100 venues to show art in our region, our six county region, that are available to people.
Speaker C:And in fact, some of the work was identified in Batavia.
Speaker C:We had a show in Batavia by Michelle L.
Speaker C:Miller.
Speaker C:Little coffee shop in Batavia.
Speaker A:Eden Cafe.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:Eden Cafe.
Speaker C:I went there and checked it out.
Speaker C:It was fantastic.
Speaker C:I had a great cup of coffee.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Really good food too.
Speaker A:The owner is a cafe.
Speaker A:Carrot hot dogs.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Also shout out to the Mexican scene in Batavia too.
Speaker B:It's growing wildly fast.
Speaker B:La Waha Kenya.
Speaker B:Great traditional Mexican spot right in the heart of Batavia.
Speaker B:Really cool stuff.
Speaker B:It's a fun place to go visit.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:And it's a nice little show.
Speaker C:And one of the players chose a piece from the show.
Speaker A:That's beautiful.
Speaker A:I really appreciate how the fantasy art collection game has been a way, like we said before, to really expand people's notions of what's available.
Speaker A:Because I didn't even know that number, that there was 100 plus places.
Speaker A:It's like a really good reminder that Rochester and the surrounding areas are full of art and art opportunities.
Speaker A:And that's like really inspiring for artists.
Speaker C:Who might be listening.
Speaker C:You can go to the Rochester art Collector's website and you can see all of them.
Speaker C:There's a listing of them on the website.
Speaker B:What I'm kind of interested in before we go to break is we're talking about, you know, the goal of it really is to get people out to go visit these things in person.
Speaker B:As somebody who I've seen at many different events, you know, around town, and somebody who's been very present like that's both of you.
Speaker B:Like, what.
Speaker B:What is it?
Speaker B:What does it meant to you personally?
Speaker B:And how has it changed you going to art venues and being part of this community as a general thing?
Speaker B:Like what.
Speaker B:What does that meant to you as a person?
Speaker D:Well, I think what does it mean to me?
Speaker D:It's a huge part of my life.
Speaker D:And it started in grad school.
Speaker D:I went to graduate school in New York City to the School of Visual Arts.
Speaker D:And we were located right in Chelsea, which is where all of the major galleries are.
Speaker D:And that's what we did three days a week.
Speaker D:We were either in Chelsea or we were somewhere in Brooklyn going to every art show, our friends, art shows, other, you know.
Speaker D:So then when I came here, that was such a big part of my life that I just slid into that and I don't know what else to say other than I don't.
Speaker D:I would.
Speaker D:I think I would wither and die if I didn't go out and see artwork on a regular basis.
Speaker B:Seems like a core part of you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Well, there are two aspects for me.
Speaker C:One is that I am a deeply relational person.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:It's a profound part of my life and I couldn't live without it for sure.
Speaker C:And I'm also, of course, very compelled by the art itself.
Speaker C:And ironically enough, those are at odds in places like Openings.
Speaker C:So I actually don't find myself at openings very often because I want to be with the people so much.
Speaker C:I'm frustrated because I can't see the art.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:But I do get.
Speaker C:And my collection is really defined by the relationships that I have with the artists as well.
Speaker C:That's a big part of the work that I have those connections with those folks.
Speaker A:Yeah, I resonate with that so much.
Speaker A:It's like the opening seem to be the time to really be connecting and talking to people and networking.
Speaker A:I almost never end up looking at the art, especially at somewhere like Roko where you said there's 500 plus pieces on the wall and there seems to be almost as many people in the room.
Speaker A:So it's like.
Speaker C:It's really funny about that, even though you and I may agree on that point.
Speaker C:I had a gallery for a number of years, a long, long time ago.
Speaker C:And one of the things I found out about it was that most of the work sells just before the opening, the day of the opening, a little bit after the opening, a day or so after the opening, and then at the closing.
Speaker C:And nothing happens in between.
Speaker C:Actually the in between parts when I'd love to go, when no One's around.
Speaker A:I agree.
Speaker C:But the openings sell art.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:That makes sense though.
Speaker A:That's when everybody shows up and the energy's high.
Speaker C:They encourage you.
Speaker C:They buy it vicariously through you, Right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the momentum's there.
Speaker A:You're like, oh, I'm so excited.
Speaker A:There's people.
Speaker A:Here's this person right next of this painting that they created.
Speaker C:The wine doesn't hurt.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Social lubrication for the win.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker B:All right, I think what we're going to do, we're going to go to break real quick and we'll be back to talk more Red Dot challenge, more about art collecting and being a art forward person in Rochester.
Speaker A:And we're back talking about the Red dot art challenge with Rome and Sue.
Speaker A:I'm curious, as we've been talking about all this community engagement, I'm curious if you received any feedback from the artists whose work was featured.
Speaker A:Like, were they excited, skeptical?
Speaker A:Did they engage?
Speaker C:Well, initially there was some skepticism and some confusion around what's going on.
Speaker C:Are people taking the art away from the venue?
Speaker C:Are they marking it with a red dot so somebody else can't buy it?
Speaker C:What's going on here?
Speaker C:So we did on the website.
Speaker C:Every post on our website says this is just a game, doing it for fun.
Speaker C:We're pretending nobody's using any real money.
Speaker C:No one is taking the art out of the venue.
Speaker C:But after we got over that hump, lots of excitement from artists.
Speaker C:In fact, we had two artists who came to our big reveal event at Rochester Contemporary a few days ago from Elmira.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:They drove up from about an hour away to be able to come to the event.
Speaker C:So there was definitely some excitement around the notion of this.
Speaker C:And of course, we're promoting the artists.
Speaker C:We're promoting it on social artists on social media and on the website and through the game.
Speaker A:That's amazing.
Speaker A:Did you find that it led to any real life purchases?
Speaker C:Well, almost all of the players bought work while they were in the game in real life.
Speaker A:That's amazing.
Speaker C:And there were.
Speaker C:Not everybody was an artist.
Speaker C:There were several players who were not artists, but they were doing what they loved to do.
Speaker C:Sue was doing what she loves to do.
Speaker C:I didn't.
Speaker C:Wasn't a player.
Speaker C:But I have purchased work during the.
Speaker C:During the gameplay period.
Speaker C:But almost all the players bought work when they were out looking.
Speaker A:That's beautiful.
Speaker C:And you know, there is a thing about if you're looking in a store, you're more likely to buy something if you're not looking at all.
Speaker C:Of course, Then you won't buy anything.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:There's something to be said.
Speaker A:Well, and I really appreciate.
Speaker A:I'm such a big proponent for play in general, in art making and in life.
Speaker A:And I really appreciate how you used play to create this game and create opportunities for people to see.
Speaker A:Oh, like venues that they hadn't experienced before, artists that they hadn't experienced before.
Speaker A:And I'm curious, Sue, with playing this game, did it impact your art practice at all?
Speaker A:Like, did it seem like it woven in that way in any way?
Speaker D:No, probably not.
Speaker D:Because I'm doing something.
Speaker D:I'm in a new mode right now.
Speaker D:I'm in a creative mode, and I'm doing one thing that's very specific, which won't be influenced by anything else other than what it is.
Speaker D:But I think what it did do is get me excited about the idea of more people becoming collectors and that maybe thought, well, I'm not an art collector, you know, because they envision somebody who's spending all kinds of money and knows all kinds of esoteric facts about art history.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And I.
Speaker D:I like that it opens it up to everyone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think that's something we found here in the house, is we.
Speaker B:We don't collect, I wouldn't say capital A art things.
Speaker B:And generally speaking, I agree.
Speaker A:I feel like you have capital A art all over the place.
Speaker B:And I do love it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And that's the thing, is, I'm enjoying that we've gotten to put up stuff from people that we love, like that friends that we love or ideas that we enjoy or, hey, we've met people at behind the Glass, and I have photographs from them hanging up in the studio.
Speaker B:Or now I have contacts in the street art, and I've got, like, a piece of graffiti in the studio.
Speaker B:And being around, showing up in person has given me a lot of opportunities to see things that I didn't think would be for me.
Speaker B:And I was wondering, like, through the process, did you, you know, going to all these different places, did either of you see things that struck you in a way that you were surprised that you enjoyed it?
Speaker B:Something that you might not have thought you would have enjoyed?
Speaker C:If you don't mind, I want to come back to something, please, because it's sort of interesting that you brought it up.
Speaker C:It turns out that the term art collector, the phrase art collector, is ironically an impediment, because people don't self identify for exactly the reasons that sue described.
Speaker C:And in Rochester art collectors, we say that an art collector is someone that owns or aspires to own at least one work of art made by someone other than themself, so that, by definition, you are an art collector and you erase that characterization, because in doing so, you're sort of saying to the world, it's okay to collect in whatever eclectic way you want to.
Speaker C:It could just be very casual, or it might be very mindful and very nerdy, like.
Speaker C:Either approach is perfectly fine.
Speaker C:And one other point that was brought to mind by your comment, sue, is that I have a theory that the best and most interesting collections are owned by.
Speaker C:By artists because the work resonates, in a way, in their life, in their own work.
Speaker C:So it has sort of echoes in their own work.
Speaker C:So you.
Speaker C:They take work into their life that inspires them, that stimulates them, and that would in turn produce other work, making it a fascinating experience to see the collection of an artist and hear the artist talk about their collection and how it relates to their work.
Speaker C:And a specific answer to your question.
Speaker C:I always see interesting things, and it's particularly fun to go to a place like Rochester Contemporary, where there's literally 500 works on the wall.
Speaker C:I've been there.
Speaker C:I tend to process very slowly.
Speaker C:So I go to shows multiple times, and I've been to that show probably six or seven times.
Speaker C:And every single time I go, there's work that I noticed that I never noticed before.
Speaker C:It's the same work in the same place.
Speaker C:But there's just so much information that you can take in.
Speaker C:You've got to go back.
Speaker C:You've got to not just look deeply once.
Speaker B:Is that running all the way through.
Speaker C:February still, or the 15th?
Speaker C:It's going to close pretty soon, but it's been up for December 1st.
Speaker A:January.
Speaker C:It's been up for two and a half months.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:It's up for quite a while.
Speaker C:And that's common this time of year.
Speaker C:They tend to run a little longer at this time of year.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I think we're going out to record at the March opening with Explore Rochester.
Speaker C:Oh, nice.
Speaker B:So we're gonna be out there recording.
Speaker C:Celebrate that.
Speaker C:How fun.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're gonna be out recording live there that night.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker B:That'll be a blast.
Speaker B:And, you know, I love.
Speaker B:I love the character of that place as well, because every time I do go there, it's either something that is challenging, something that is outside of my norm.
Speaker B:Some things that just don't resonate with me at all, even though they are, you know, these are art, important art pieces.
Speaker B:You know, like when we're talking about, like, these are nationally recognized artists and like, oh, this doesn't hit me at all.
Speaker B:And then I go to another one and I'm just, like, struck and, like, staring at it for 15 minutes and feeling.
Speaker B:Feeling the artist's, you know, process all in one thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, I want to go back to that, what you said, Rome, about collecting and the artist process.
Speaker A:I really appreciate your definition of collecting because I think that's really powerful, especially for, you know, the normal person who doesn't see themselves as being able to be an art collector.
Speaker A:It's like, if you have a print of something from, like, a manga magazine that you enjoy, that's like, in your house, you have.
Speaker A:You have collected art.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I really appreciate that because it's like.
Speaker A:It's like getting rid of all the gateways and the perceived barriers.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And also, as an artist, I resonate with that.
Speaker A:I think that your theory is onto something, because I always joke about how you can tell artists from, like, critics when you're in a collection or a museum, because artists get super close to the painting.
Speaker A:Like, I know I get so close that I could almost, like, lick it.
Speaker A:You know, I'm just like, I need to see how this artist made these marks.
Speaker A:And it's always sparking something in me that, whether it's conscious or not, affects my work in the future.
Speaker A:You know, like, I'll see something at the Rochester Art Collective show, and I'll be like, oh, that's really interesting, the way that they put those layers onto the canvas.
Speaker A:I might want to try something like that.
Speaker A:And then I collect that work, and it's in my home, and it's inspiring me in subtle and unsubtle ways.
Speaker A:And I just think it's a really beautiful reminder for people to look for things that bring joy.
Speaker A:You know, it's like an art is one of those things.
Speaker A:It brings playfulness to your life, it brings joy.
Speaker A:It brings a sense of mindfulness.
Speaker A:Like you mentioned before, to look at a piece of art for longer than two seconds gives you a moment of quiet with yourself and with that piece.
Speaker A:And I also really love how collections speak to each other.
Speaker A:Like with the Roco show, the member show with 500 pieces, my piece is, like, up high on the wall, like, near the ceiling, surrounded by these other pieces that are talking to my piece in a way.
Speaker A:You know, like, the conversation between pieces is really interesting.
Speaker C:A really well curated show will do that.
Speaker C:And there are two right now that I'd like to just mention because they're so good.
Speaker C:There's a Show at the University of Rochester's Hartnett Gall Frontispace Gallery.
Speaker C:And this show is distinctive because it highlights the work collected by a local collector.
Speaker C:It's one of the very, very few shows or opportunities where there is a public exhibition of works not by a maker, but he is also a maker.
Speaker C:But the work does not contain his work.
Speaker C:It does contain a little bit of his work.
Speaker C:Come to think of it, it's a guy who started collecting objects at a very modest price.
Speaker C:And when I say that, I mean like a dollar.
Speaker C:He went to flea markets and he didn't buy just random objects, he bought photography.
Speaker C:And over the course of 20 or 30 years, he's created a collection that's of international renown.
Speaker C:And this collection of work that's highly curated and has interpretive materials associated with it are just really wonderful.
Speaker C:If you have a chance to go there, I think it's up for the next couple of weeks.
Speaker C:You should go to the Frontispace Gallery and Hartnett Gallery.
Speaker C:There's another show, Photography Related at the George Eastman Museum that if you're not deep into photography, is a wonderful way to immerse yourself in all the various ways to make photography and how they relate to the culture as a whole.
Speaker C:And that's also really well curated.
Speaker B:Side plug for a second episode on my show Food About Town coming out soon.
Speaker B:Talking to the owner of Open Face, which is in Memorial Art Gallery now.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:People don't know that it's back.
Speaker B:I think a lot of people aren't aware that, you know, such a staple in the South Wedge for, you know, 13 years and now it's back open inside the George Eastman Museum.
Speaker C:I had a great drink there the other night.
Speaker B:Yeah, really fun stuff.
Speaker A:Incredible.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Not an alcoholic drink, just.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Just saying.
Speaker A:Well, it's just another example of, you know, community coming together around art and people using that as a way to have conversations with each other.
Speaker A:I'm curious with the Red Dot challenge and how you've, you know, you've done the entire first season.
Speaker A:I'm assuming there's going to be more seasons.
Speaker A:Will there be more seasons?
Speaker A:Was this a one off experiment?
Speaker C:I'd like to.
Speaker C:It was a heavy lift, to be honest.
Speaker C:We did a pilot run last year with three collectors.
Speaker C:We really explored what I think of as the full range of possibilities with the season.
Speaker C:I'm trying to see if I have the capacity to do it again.
Speaker C:We'll see.
Speaker C:Me.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I was wondering, so like, how many pieces did you end up having in Your fantasy collection, Sue?
Speaker D:I had eight.
Speaker B:Okay, so did you have one that ended up striking you in a specific way that you or any of the other artists you want to talk about that were part of that?
Speaker D:I ended up buying art from one of the artists that I fantasy collected.
Speaker D:I bought a smaller piece of hers, Jappy King Black.
Speaker D:And I went to hear her talk about her work and I just, I love her commitment to the materials that she's been using for years and years and years and the sort of magicalness of her work.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's.
Speaker B:There's some real stunning work.
Speaker D:And I hung it right above the ponytail piece.
Speaker D:They just, they go very well together.
Speaker B:That makes a lot of sense.
Speaker B:Looking at it like these, you can tell have so much hit resonant to history when you're looking at them, but they also feel so lively and of the moment at the same time.
Speaker D:I actually, as a collector, I actually collected a piece that my husband specifically told me not to buy.
Speaker D:And I said, I can't help it, I need this piece.
Speaker D:And I have it hanging in my office at home.
Speaker D:I look at this piece every day and I love it.
Speaker D:And it's a very large photograph and it's two mattresses and there's obviously a woman's arms are hanging out one end with high heel shoes on her hands and her feet are hanging out of the other end with high heel shoes on her feet.
Speaker D:And it's just a kooky, weird, but gorgeous photograph that I naughtily bought.
Speaker B:But that's also.
Speaker B:That's kind of the perfect thing for like your, like it's your office, right?
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's this.
Speaker B:It's like, oh, if this is a thing that's helping you with your whatever, like that's the space for that.
Speaker B:Maybe it's not in the living room, but like, hey, I have stuff in here that I wouldn't put somewhere else.
Speaker C:Sue reminds me, we.
Speaker C:We had an experience during the pilot that we explored in the full version this year.
Speaker C:We had a couple as one player.
Speaker C:And in the first round, the pilot round, we had so much fun hearing them talk about how they resolve the conflicts associated with their different interests, tolerances, that we invited several couples to come and play as teams to see what that would be like.
Speaker C:And so it was really super fun.
Speaker C:If we do this again, we may ask folks that don't know each other to team as a player to see kind of reality TV show to see how does one do that and what's interesting about it is that you have to express to somebody who you don't know, doesn't live with you, who doesn't already get you, why that's important to you.
Speaker C:And then you have to figure out, do we agree?
Speaker C:Are you willing?
Speaker C:How are you going to work that out?
Speaker C:And one of the couples this year, horse traded.
Speaker C:One of them got to pick one piece, the other got to pick another piece, and that's how they resolved it.
Speaker C:And you know, in my life, my wife and I do the same thing.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Christian and I do the same thing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:I love that idea.
Speaker A:Actually, it reminds me like this.
Speaker A:This season of the podcast is more focused on those kinds of collaborations and how people communicate differences and overcome them and, and how those things weave together.
Speaker A:And I would be really curious to see, like, not even necessarily a couple's version.
Speaker A:All that would, that would probably be interesting too.
Speaker A:But like you said, collaborations of two people who are different, having to come together to collect this fantasy collection and see, see how that works out, I feel like it would be a fun partnership with the podcast, honestly.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:So I think there's.
Speaker B:And that, that's the fun part about all this stuff is it should, should start a discussion.
Speaker B:It should start something that exactly, you know, maybe enlightens you to something different or how do you think about the stuff?
Speaker B:Because that's just as valuable as anything else is the process of thinking, oh, what is, what is the theme?
Speaker B:What is this other stuff?
Speaker B:And it's kind of, kind of interesting.
Speaker C:Let me encourage you.
Speaker C:You earlier said that you have work in your life and it expresses certain notions about you.
Speaker C:But I would encourage you to go back and look at that and look for themes that may not be apparent to you at the outset.
Speaker C:And many people will say, I just kind of buy what I like.
Speaker C:I have no idea what I'm doing.
Speaker C:And I felt like I did that for 30 years.
Speaker C:And then at some point when I started Rochester Art Collectors, I looked back at the work I had collected over time to say what was it exactly that I was collecting?
Speaker C:And I found themes.
Speaker C:So there's a sort of a self discovery associated with collecting art as well.
Speaker A:Do you mind sharing some of those themes?
Speaker A:I'm really curious.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:People who know me have heard me say this many, many times.
Speaker C:But one of the things, and this was not at all conscious.
Speaker C:More than 80% of the work I own was made by women because they make great art.
Speaker C:No, conscious.
Speaker C:Well, I have some theories around this.
Speaker C:That's certainly true.
Speaker C:For sure.
Speaker C:One of my Theories is that from my budget standpoint, that women have not been able to sell their work for as much.
Speaker C:And so there's all this really great art that is just less expensive, apart from any other consideration.
Speaker C:But there are other themes.
Speaker C:For example, the expression of political views or ideology or commentary on society is another sort of sub theme.
Speaker C:And there are others.
Speaker C:Portraiture and many others.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:It's interesting because that's something my wife has spent a lot of time on.
Speaker B:Carrie.
Speaker B:She is part of the.
Speaker B:Part of a community where she sells, you know, she sells merchandise.
Speaker B:But a lot of people do custom artwork in her community, and it's something she's been very vocal about is if.
Speaker B:If you're going to be doing this work, you should charge appropriately for your time.
Speaker B:Because there's many hobbyists as part of her community that wildly undercharge.
Speaker B:They'll be doing stuff at the convention where they're delivering it the next day.
Speaker B:They're doing four, five at night after a long day.
Speaker B:And they're charging, you know, $40 for a custom thing that takes them an hour and a half.
Speaker B:And, like, infuriates her when she sees these people who are doing this great work and they're, you know, trying, you know, they're desperate sometimes to support themselves, and that leads to undercharging and sometimes undervaluing your own efforts when you're creating something that is special for somebody else and often custom for somebody else that is celebrating.
Speaker B:Celebrating their character, celebrating themselves.
Speaker C:So frustrating.
Speaker C:And pricing is a very difficult challenge for every artist.
Speaker C:How do you find your market?
Speaker C:How do you price appropriately and all the various ways you can calculate what an appropriate price is?
Speaker C:That's a really hard question.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Were there any themes that have come up for you in your fantasy or real life collecting?
Speaker A:Sue?
Speaker A:Ooh.
Speaker D:As I said, it's kind of quirky.
Speaker D:I love pieces that I can create a narrative about and sort of have a conversation with or pieces that have multiple meanings, that could have multiple meanings.
Speaker D:And one day you look at it and you could see this, and another day you could look at it and you can see that in my real.
Speaker D:There was just that one piece that I bought in the fantasy collection that said it was a painting, a Trump Louis painting.
Speaker D:Buy this painting and no one will get hurt.
Speaker D:And it was fabulous, fabulous painting.
Speaker D:It looks like a ramp.
Speaker C:Do you know Deborah Polinsky?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Do you know her work?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Fantastic, Fantastic painting.
Speaker D:And as soon as I saw that, I was like, that is going.
Speaker D:That is.
Speaker D:That's right up my alley.
Speaker D:Just Something.
Speaker D:I have this weird print in my.
Speaker D:It's actually hanging in my bathroom, my powder room.
Speaker D:It's like a Little Red Riding Hood girl with a machine gun and the wolf behind her.
Speaker D:And it's just so ambiguous and bizarre.
Speaker D:And it's great because you can tell what somebody's political influence is when they look at it, whether they think she should have that gun or see, it's talking about how you shouldn't have assault weapons because it's an assault weapon that she has.
Speaker C:That's nice.
Speaker D:So I think those are my themes where it's just provocative in some way.
Speaker B:See, it's interesting because, like, that same.
Speaker B:That same theme was also in the.
Speaker B:That was like a famous National Lampoon magazine cover from the early 70s from the team that ended up starting Saturday Night Live.
Speaker C:Oh, no kidding.
Speaker D:You have to look that up.
Speaker B:So the magazine cover, this comedy magazine.
Speaker B:And this was like cutting edge, harsh comedy, because that's what they were at the time.
Speaker B:And the title of the book or magazine was, if you don't buy this book, we'll kill this dog.
Speaker B:And there's a dog on the COVID and there's a gun to the dog's head.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But that it's so famous because, like, they almost got shut down because of it, the hatred that they got.
Speaker B:But that was dangerous comedy, right?
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:It was that next generation of people that started Saturday Night Live, these writers that were so odd and off the wall that created some of the movies that are, you know, legendary.
Speaker C:Blazing Saddles, too.
Speaker C:Similar.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But those kind of things.
Speaker B:It might be a similar theme, but it could be by the artist completely changing the intent and the feel like they're doing comedy to shock the audience.
Speaker B:While a piece with maybe even a similar motif can be so political and personal and have a completely different vibe.
Speaker A:That's what I love about art, though.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like it is something that gets us to talk to each other, you know, if it's done right.
Speaker A:I mean, there's no such thing really, in my mind of, like, right versus wrong art.
Speaker A:But for me, art that's really successful is art like that that makes you pause for a second and makes you think of or feel something and then be able to have a conversation like we're having about whatever it made you feel as human to human.
Speaker C:You know, it can be a little scary.
Speaker C:Some people are very intimidated by the notion of saying something wrong.
Speaker C:I experience something when I see this art.
Speaker C:I interpret it, but I'm afraid to talk about it because what If I'm wrong, yeah, it can be scary.
Speaker C:And of course, I totally agree with you that all these various opinions are all valid and deserve expression and deserve discussion.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And documentation.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:You know, while I'm thinking of it, if you don't mind, I wanted to bring up that in the game, we identify who the players are, we post pictures, we have bios, and we share their Instagram social media pages and so forth.
Speaker C:But during the course of gameplay, we don't disclose which players are collecting which groupings of work.
Speaker C:So one of the ways that we asked the public to participate was to see if they could figure out who was collecting what.
Speaker C:And they would do this by going to the players social media pages.
Speaker C:We asked the players to post pictures of them in venues and which works they liked so you could go and see what they took pictures of.
Speaker C:Go to the fantasy art collection, see what showed up and try to figure it out.
Speaker C:So the sort of competition piece we left to not it's quite a scavenger hunt, but this idea of matching collections with the players, that's fascinating.
Speaker A:Did people get it right?
Speaker C:Not very many.
Speaker C:It was a little bit too.
Speaker C:The way I constructed it was a little bit too harsh.
Speaker C:So we do this again.
Speaker C:I'm gonna make some adjustments to that piece because I think that's a really fun way to drive people to venues, to drive people to get to know artists a little bit better.
Speaker C:And I think the threshold was a little bit too high on that one.
Speaker C:There were a few that were successful, but not as many as I had hoped.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it sounds like you learned a lot from the process of running for sure the first time.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What are you hoping that people take away from participating or even if it's on a viewer level, participating in Red.
Speaker C:Dot Challenge, a huge success is people when they.
Speaker C:To me, oh, I found a venue I didn't know about before.
Speaker C:I found this really cool artist in this really interesting venue.
Speaker C:That was amazing.
Speaker C:I'm going to go back there.
Speaker C:That is a big success for sure.
Speaker C:And we had lots of that.
Speaker A:That's amazing.
Speaker A:Do you see this going outside of Rochester in the future?
Speaker C:I could only hope.
Speaker C:I'm thinking of this as open source again.
Speaker C:There was no financial, no commercial interest in this.
Speaker C:The folks that came from Elmira said, we want to do this in Elmira.
Speaker C:They've already said that.
Speaker C:I said, I'm happy.
Speaker C:I'd love to help you with this.
Speaker C:I think the only limitation I'd like to see is a commitment to an open source Extension with a non commercial intent.
Speaker C:I don't think this would be as helpful.
Speaker C:I know it's interesting to associate this with an institution and make it a fundraiser.
Speaker C:There's lots of ways to do that, but I hope that that does not happen.
Speaker C:I'd rather keep it as open as possible.
Speaker A:Yeah, really going back to that play motif, you know, it's like the idea of.
Speaker A:And I feel like we're so clenchy these days that it's really refreshing to have something that you're participating in or at least, or watching people participate in that's.
Speaker A:That's truly playful.
Speaker A:Like really a game with.
Speaker A:No, there's no stakes.
Speaker C:No, no stakes.
Speaker C:Stakes are low.
Speaker C:We had two players, by the way, that ended up not participating at all.
Speaker C:And although we identified them at the outset, we elim.
Speaker C:We sort of erase the identities at the end because we don't want anyone to feel like they.
Speaker C:They should somehow be punished for not being able to do it for whatever reason.
Speaker C:We had one player that didn't quite make a minimum standard, but they still presented at the big reveal.
Speaker C:The reveal, by the way, was disclosing who collected what.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:That's what we did at the big reveal.
Speaker B:So there wasn't like a fantasy football punishment where they had to spend 24 hours at a Waffle House and they took one hour off for every waffle game.
Speaker A:Is that a thing with fantasy football?
Speaker B:That's a thing 100%.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker A:What kind of fantasy football are you playing?
Speaker B:I have very serious fantasy football when I play both.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:It's so weird.
Speaker B:Somebody did it a few years ago.
Speaker A:See, that's funny.
Speaker B:Crazy.
Speaker B:But a few years ago somebody did it for the first time.
Speaker B:And now it's become such a trend where people will now as the punishment, they're like, oh, spend 24 hours at this place.
Speaker B:For every plate you eat, you take an hour off.
Speaker D:Wow.
Speaker B:And I think the first one was at a Waffle House because, you know, waffle houses never close unless there's like hurricanes and even then, debatably so.
Speaker A:So nothing like that in red dots.
Speaker C:No, no, we haven't.
Speaker C:We just.
Speaker C:We didn't do that.
Speaker C:We wanted to be a pretty gentle experience, certainly by comparison.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker A:I'm so glad that you guys came on the show to talk about this because it's fascinating and now my brain is buzzing with all kinds of ideas of ways that we could collaborate and bring it.
Speaker A:That sounds awesome.
Speaker A:But I'm curious, where can listeners learn.
Speaker C:More, potentially participate every minute detail on a nerdy website website.
Speaker C:And the URL is red.challenge.org and the only thing I want to make clear about that is it's R E D D O T C H A L L e n g e.o r g.
Speaker C:There's only one period, 1.in the.
Speaker C:In the URL.
Speaker C:Not two, not two.
Speaker C:Because that was another bit of confusion early on.
Speaker C:It never occurred to me that people would hear that verbally and type in Red Challenge.
Speaker C:But some people did.
Speaker C:They're like, I couldn't find the site.
Speaker C:I typed it in.
Speaker C:So that part is a little bit confusing.
Speaker C:But if you go to red.challenge.org it's set up as a blog, so the top story is the most recent one.
Speaker C:So as you scroll down, you'll see, but there are also links there.
Speaker C:You can click on a link that will show you all the fantasy collections.
Speaker C:You'll click on a link.
Speaker C:We did a podcast also.
Speaker C:You can go to the podcast.
Speaker C:So there are highlights, database cues to be able to click on.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker A:Anything you guys want to add before we go out?
Speaker C:This was fantastic.
Speaker C:I had so much fun.
Speaker C:You guys are right.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker D:I love coming here.
Speaker A:And we love you having.
Speaker A:Love having you on the show, too.
Speaker A:It's just we, you know, sitting around a big table talking about stuff, quite literally.
Speaker B:Always a great time, sue, any place you want people to find your work.
Speaker D:Yes, I do have a piece.
Speaker D:Piece in the Rochester Contemporary Art center show that's only up till Friday.
Speaker C:And that has been collected.
Speaker D:That has been collected.
Speaker A:Congratulations.
Speaker D:It's a big piece and it's a provocative piece, so I was very pleasantly surprised that somebody added it to their collection.
Speaker D:That's awesome.
Speaker D:And just on my website, Susan Beggy, b e g y.com right now, as I'm in my creative mode, making new.
Speaker A:Things, we'll put all of those links up there so y'all can follow sue and Red Dot Challenge and Rochester Art Collective.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker C:Thanks for having us.
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker A:It's been a blast.
Speaker B:Molly, do you have anything coming up that you want people to know about?
Speaker A:Oh, gosh.
Speaker A:I have some things in the works, but nothing really.
Speaker A:Well, actually, that's not true.
Speaker A:I have a show coming up later in the year, like in end of August with my friend Rivka Simpa.
Speaker A:We are doing a duet show at GVCA that is called Mothering in the Dark.
Speaker A:So that is.
Speaker A:That's a whole collaboration that we're in the depths of right now creating pieces for super excited.
Speaker B:I'm excited to learn more about that as we go through the go through this season.
Speaker A:Me too.
Speaker A:I think we're gonna come on the show and have you guys interview us about the collaborative.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:That'll be.
Speaker B:That'll be a blast.
Speaker A:Look forward to that.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:And speaking of collaboration, if you want to check out more shows on the Lunchadore Podcast Network, you can go to lunchadore.org to see every show, the most recent episodes.
Speaker B:You can even listen on there if you like.
Speaker B:I'm excited for everybody to check out the audiobook recordings of the in this moment chat books.
Speaker B:By the time this comes out, I think we'll have at least three of them out.
Speaker A:Yes, definitely check those out.
Speaker B:And that's been a blast of a process working with Gene and Amanda and the whole team over there.
Speaker B:We're super excited to be a small part of what they are doing.
Speaker B:So appreciate you listening to this episode of behind the Studio Door.
Speaker B:And we'll be back next time with more amazing discussions.
Speaker A:Woot woo.
Speaker B:This has been a presentation of the Lunchadore Podcast Network.
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