Sabbatical Reflections: Art, Family, and the Rochester Scene (Kicking off Season 2!)
Join Molly Darling, Christian Rivera, and Chris Lindstrom as they dive back into the world of creativity and collaboration after a summer hiatus. The trio discusses the importance of taking breaks to avoid burnout while exploring the dynamics of artistic collaboration in Rochester. They reflect on their experiences over the past months, sharing insights on how personal and professional relationships influence creative processes. Expect a lively conversation that highlights the need for communication and adaptability in collaborative projects, along with a humorous take on the challenges of maintaining artistic momentum. With engaging anecdotes and a sprinkle of playful banter, this episode brings to life the intricate web of connections that fuel the local art scene.
Exploring the themes of art, collaboration, and community, this vibrant podcast episode captures the essence of creativity in Rochester through the engaging interactions of its hosts. Molly, Christian, and Chris reflect on their summer break, using it as a springboard to dive into discussions about the nature of artistic work and the importance of taking breaks to prevent burnout. Their candid exchanges reveal how personal experiences and busy lives can influence artistic output, leading to a broader conversation about the need for collaboration in various artistic fields. As they share their individual journeys, listeners gain insights into how each host navigates their creative processes, with anecdotes that highlight both challenges and triumphs.
The hosts also touch on the significance of recognizing art in everyday professions, challenging the conventional views of what constitutes artistry. By discussing the intricacies of their experiences in curating and managing artistic events, they illuminate the hard work and dedication that often goes unseen. Their conversations emphasize that art is not limited to galleries but can be found in the simple acts of collaboration and community engagement. This episode serves as a reminder that the creative spirit thrives on connection and shared experiences, encouraging listeners to engage with their local arts scenes in meaningful ways.
Through humor and heartfelt storytelling, the hosts invite their audience to think critically about their own artistic journeys, spurring reflections on the role of collaboration in fostering creativity and community growth.
Takeaways:
- The hosts discuss the importance of taking breaks to avoid burnout and maintain creativity.
- They explore how collaboration manifests in various forms, both professionally and personally.
- The conversation highlights the dynamic nature of podcasting and the evolving relationships between hosts.
- Molly shares insights from her experience teaching art to adults with disabilities.
- The group emphasizes the significance of local art initiatives in Rochester's creative community.
- They reflect on how personal experiences shape artistic expression and collaboration.
Mentioned in this episode:
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Transcript
Welcome back to behind the Studio Door.
Molly Darling:I'm so excited to talk to you again.
Molly Darling:I'm your host, Molly Darling, with my co host, Christian Rivera.
Christian Rivera:I'm still here.
Christian Rivera:I've been sitting in the podcast room this whole time.
Christian Rivera:Even though there have been other shows going on, I've just been sitting here waiting diligently for the next one to start.
Chris Lindstrom:I keep telling him, christian, you have to shower.
Chris Lindstrom:You have to drink something.
Christian Rivera:He's like, no, I'm just waiting.
Chris Lindstrom:I only absorb audio.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, I'm just like a puppy at the door, waiting for the show to start again.
Molly Darling:I just imagined you as, like that Peanuts character where there's just, like, little flies and stuff.
Molly Darling:Pig Pen just, like, standing in the corner.
Christian Rivera:That.
Christian Rivera:Plus, if you've ever seen Scott Pilgrim versus the World, where he orders a package and then he sits at the door and waits for the package to show up because he knows Ramona Flowers is gonna deliver it.
Christian Rivera:And this instance, you are my Ramona Flowers.
Molly Darling:Oh, thanks.
Christian Rivera:Which is a huge compliment.
Molly Darling:You should shower, though.
Christian Rivera:But yes, should shower.
Chris Lindstrom:Am I the Jason Schwarzman character?
Chris Lindstrom:Perhaps?
Chris Lindstrom:I've only seen it once.
Christian Rivera:I feel like that.
Christian Rivera:That would fit you really well.
Christian Rivera:You are the Gideon Graves of this situation.
Christian Rivera:I don't want to fight you personally, but, you know.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, that's the whole.
Christian Rivera:You're the nightclub owner.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah, I'm.
Chris Lindstrom:I'm not sure about my Coppola energy, though.
Chris Lindstrom:My.
Chris Lindstrom:My B, C, E.
Chris Lindstrom:My big Coppola energy that Schwarzman has.
Chris Lindstrom:I'm not sure about that.
Christian Rivera:2006, a completely different thing with you.
Molly Darling:And our roommate, Chris Lindstrom.
Christian Rivera:Hello.
Christian Rivera:Hello.
Chris Lindstrom:Oh, boy.
Christian Rivera:Hens of nightclub, right?
Molly Darling:Secretly, I'd be the worst nightclub owner.
Chris Lindstrom:This music's too loud.
Chris Lindstrom:Why is everybody here?
Chris Lindstrom:Can you be somewhere else?
Christian Rivera:Probably press the wrong button and play, like, I don't know, just hauling oats instead of.
Christian Rivera:For context, you know, we pressed the wrong intro button when we started, so it's kind of funny.
Molly Darling:It's that.
Molly Darling:Yeah, you would have a lot of really good drink suggestions, though.
Molly Darling:But then you'd be like, everyone, have a drink.
Molly Darling:And then shut up.
Chris Lindstrom:Can we talk about the drink, please?
Chris Lindstrom:Can you not have a good time?
Chris Lindstrom:Can we have my good time, please?
Molly Darling:My version of a good time.
Christian Rivera:You start a nightclub, you advertise it as a nightclub, but then you treat it like it's a restaurant.
Molly Darling:Yeah, like a Michelin star restaurant that doesn't actually have a Michelin star.
Christian Rivera:And people are confused why it's not a restaurant, but you insist that it's a nightclub.
Chris Lindstrom:I would really enjoy how confusing the wrong people who are trying to go to this establishment.
Chris Lindstrom:That makes so much sense to me.
Molly Darling:Really should put a door on this, like, area right next to your studio that says something that makes people think that there's like a speakeasy.
Chris Lindstrom:Oh, can I make a Looney Tunes door right there.
Chris Lindstrom:Like a door that people try to grab, but it's not actually a door.
Christian Rivera:It's like a curtain full on 3D handle everything.
Molly Darling:Just try to grab it and then don't say anything.
Molly Darling:Just see what happens as podcast guests come through.
Christian Rivera:It's all an art project, right?
Molly Darling:Speaking of art projects.
Molly Darling:Yes.
Molly Darling:You are a Segway machine.
Molly Darling:And we have not been podcasting for the past, I don't know, like, three, four months.
Molly Darling:We took a summer sabbatical, but now we're back.
Molly Darling:We're going to talk about all things art and collaboration and all that good stuff.
Christian Rivera:I think we were trying to prevent ourselves from getting tired of it.
Molly Darling:Yes.
Christian Rivera:Like saturation.
Christian Rivera:It's something I learned from.
Molly Darling:Well, also, we have kids and summer is really freaking busy.
Christian Rivera:It's super busy.
Christian Rivera:And that would probably add to the saturation.
Christian Rivera:You know, something I learned from wrestling is, like, sometimes they pull a character back for a while just to say, like, hey, we want you to miss that.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Molly Darling:Do you miss us?
Molly Darling:Did you miss us?
Christian Rivera:Please let us know you miss us.
Christian Rivera:We need a lot of affirmation.
Christian Rivera:We are artists and, you know, and.
Molly Darling:Now we're not sure for podcasters anymore.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:I'm not funny as a person.
Christian Rivera:I'm funny because I need a tent attention.
Christian Rivera:So please, by all means, leave ratings and reviews.
Christian Rivera:We've never really asked for them, but go to Apple Podcasts, Spotify, all the places that you listen to podcasts, and if they have ratings and reviews and you've enjoyed the podcast up to this point.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Molly Darling:Tell us.
Christian Rivera:Please do that.
Chris Lindstrom:It absolutely does make a difference, too.
Chris Lindstrom:And it's something that we've talked about a lot with the shows is.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Scheduling these things appropriately.
Chris Lindstrom:All of us are busy.
Chris Lindstrom:All of us have things going on.
Chris Lindstrom:None of us are doing this full time.
Chris Lindstrom:And something that I think we learned as a whole network is that a lot of people with families really slowed down during the summer.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Which means that, you know, we're gonna now work on the plans for next summer.
Chris Lindstrom:So either we rotate where some shows that don't have that ramp up their.
Chris Lindstrom:Ramp up their content, or we batch just a few small things to just drip in as we go.
Chris Lindstrom:Because that's.
Chris Lindstrom:You guys did that and it turned out really well.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Um, but I think maybe we'll start batching mini topics, like 20minutes that we start flowing through to keep shows going.
Chris Lindstrom:But it's.
Chris Lindstrom:It's a learning experience doing this with all the different shows and trying to create at the same time.
Chris Lindstrom:Because I, like, I ran into.
Chris Lindstrom:Ran into you at Alt Bar.
Chris Lindstrom:You were doing an art art performance, I guess a live art.
Molly Darling:Art.
Chris Lindstrom:Art.
Molly Darling:Yeah, I was live painting at Alt Bar, which is like Rochester's newest non alcoholic bar, which I love.
Molly Darling:It's like space and.
Molly Darling:Yeah, I.
Molly Darling:We ran into each other and I was like, oh, yeah, Stromi podcasting, let's get back into it.
Molly Darling:Yeah, that's a thing that exists.
Christian Rivera:Oh, yeah.
Molly Darling:Summer was just.
Molly Darling:Yeah, it's busy and it's nice to have a break, but then also come back into it, like, ready to go.
Christian Rivera:It's funny how we associate people with things.
Christian Rivera:I see strobing.
Christian Rivera:I'm like, oh, yeah, I have to.
Christian Rivera:I haven't done a podcast in a while.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:Or like, I don't know.
Christian Rivera:It's funny.
Christian Rivera:You see somebody and you just associate them with something innocuous like, oh, I forgot my laundry.
Molly Darling:Who makes you think about laundry?
Christian Rivera:I don't know.
Christian Rivera:I don't have anyone specific in mind.
Christian Rivera:I was trying to think of someone that I could point out on the podcast network.
Christian Rivera:That would be funny to say.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:Every time I see Magnus, I'm like, oh, I need to do laundry.
Chris Lindstrom:I need to shave my beard.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, I need to shave.
Christian Rivera:Right?
Christian Rivera:Yeah, that's probably.
Molly Darling:I love your beard, Magnus.
Molly Darling:It's a fucking epic beard.
Molly Darling:Don't ever shave your beard.
Christian Rivera:I actually wish that I could do that.
Christian Rivera:I don't think my beard would do that.
Christian Rivera:Sort of of down artistic, like fully.
Christian Rivera:Just big old sage looking situation.
Chris Lindstrom:The dream.
Chris Lindstrom:The drape.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:Drape.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:I don't think.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Mine without, like, professional maintenance.
Chris Lindstrom:Mine starts getting like, really like.
Chris Lindstrom:Is he okay?
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Molly Darling:Beard.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Like, that's what mine gets.
Molly Darling:It goes like sideways, right?
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:It starts puffing out.
Chris Lindstrom:So like, I need, like professional maintenance to keep it contoured.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:I've gotten it down to about here.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Like decently long chest level, but it's.
Chris Lindstrom:It's a lot of work.
Molly Darling:Never thought about how beard maintenance for men is like contouring, but women do contouring with makeup.
Christian Rivera:You know, there's like a weird little.
Christian Rivera:I have a beard brush.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:I don't use it a lot, but when I Do.
Christian Rivera:It's like, it keeps me from looking like I'm falling apart.
Molly Darling:This is now going to be a, like, daily.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Molly Darling:Beard care.
Chris Lindstrom:Hey.
Chris Lindstrom:This is men's grooming with Chris and Christian.
Christian Rivera:Christian.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:Emphasis on the chin.
Christian Rivera:Because the beard is on the chin.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah, exactly.
Chris Lindstrom:Oh, you don't have hair.
Chris Lindstrom:I don't have hair either.
Chris Lindstrom:Wow.
Chris Lindstrom:That was pretty cool.
Chris Lindstrom:That's a whole episode done.
Molly Darling:There you go.
Christian Rivera:I mean, grooming and bar collaboration.
Christian Rivera:It would be interesting to get a barber on here to talk about that as an art form or a stylist.
Molly Darling:We do know some barbers.
Christian Rivera:We do so know some of those people.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:You know, running into people that do that.
Chris Lindstrom:I'm always fascinated with.
Chris Lindstrom:How do you get, you know, how do you get to the point where you can visualize this with all the differential between how people's hair grow and everything else?
Chris Lindstrom:It is a very visual thing, and I have to have a plan before you go.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:Types of hair.
Christian Rivera:And then there's the experience of it.
Christian Rivera:Like, I.
Christian Rivera:I'm fat.
Christian Rivera:I have questions.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Molly Darling:So clearly there's, like, lots of areas that we could still explore.
Molly Darling:We have not breached all of the topics, possibly, of behind the Studio door yet.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:And I think we're still trying to find that balance between, like, artists that people recognize as artists.
Christian Rivera:Like, it makes sense to them.
Christian Rivera:You see that.
Christian Rivera:Oh, that's an artist.
Christian Rivera:Or that what they're doing is artistry.
Christian Rivera:But there are still so many vocations or jobs or businesses around town that people probably wouldn't consider to be creative or artistic.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:That almost feel like a utility, but it does require, like, skill and talent and all the same things that go into, you know, creating a painting, for example, and collaboration.
Molly Darling:Like, I'm always thinking about how meta it is that we're collaborating literally on this podcast, on this podcast network, while we're also making this show about creative collaboration.
Molly Darling:And it requires a lot of communication and.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:I mean, it took us a long time, you and me, Molly, to, like, get into this collaboration of doing a podcast.
Christian Rivera:We met.
Christian Rivera:We have an episode about that.
Christian Rivera:If you want to go back and find that.
Molly Darling:No, don't find it.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, don't find it.
Molly Darling:Don't find it.
Molly Darling:Leave it buried in the Internet forever.
Molly Darling:Yeah, yeah.
Molly Darling:Appalling.
Christian Rivera:No, you're talking about the first podcast.
Molly Darling:Yes.
Molly Darling:Don't even mention that.
Chris Lindstrom:When we did one here, I thought.
Chris Lindstrom:I thought it did turn out really well.
Chris Lindstrom:We did an early episode of this that was, I thought, was very enlightening, and I Think, you know, over the course of the first swath of episodes really did start to touch on that.
Chris Lindstrom:Like, when we talked about framing, like, that was.
Chris Lindstrom:That was a fascinating discussion because we really did go into, hey, how do you see yourself as somebody who's making some of these things better?
Chris Lindstrom:How do you.
Chris Lindstrom:How do you see that?
Chris Lindstrom:Because that is part of the whole experience.
Chris Lindstrom:And I love the idea of going into, hey, these things that are considered trades, like, I know.
Chris Lindstrom:I know welders, that when I see their work, it is.
Chris Lindstrom:It is straight art to me.
Chris Lindstrom:Like, oh, the level of perfection, like, the level of detail for something that only people are ever going to see as a structural thing.
Chris Lindstrom:And when I see them, like, oh, wow, wow.
Chris Lindstrom:The control that that person had with what they were doing and the detail.
Chris Lindstrom:And then when they turn into artwork, that's a whole nother thing, right?
Molly Darling:Well, actually, that brings up a question for me that I would like to explore this season of, like, perspective on what is art, what is not.
Molly Darling:Because it's, like, really interesting that I remember earlier on the first season, you asked me, and I think it was on the Rivka episode, because we both have, like, a similar way of working, and you, you asked about output and how I make that happen, and I was just kind of like, I can't help it.
Molly Darling:I just can't not.
Molly Darling:And I think about what you just said about welders and, you know, barbers probably, and people that are just doing their thing.
Molly Darling:And then from the outside looking in, it's like, wow, that's like creative alchemy.
Molly Darling:How the do you do that?
Molly Darling:You know, it's like a really interesting dynamic between what the audience thinks and what the person who's doing the making thinks about it.
Christian Rivera:Well, it made me think also about the Roko shows we did.
Christian Rivera:We were at the ROKO 6x6 and we did two big episodes where we had just a bunch of people come in and sit down with us and we had a lot of conversations.
Christian Rivera:And then after that, you and I, Molly, we curated an email where we selected a.
Christian Rivera:A couple pieces that we liked to.
Molly Darling:Right, yeah.
Molly Darling:We did the 6x6 pics as behind the studio door.
Christian Rivera:And so going through those, I thought it was really interesting and fascinating to see all the different kinds of almost approaches to art in a way, like, throughout our careers.
Christian Rivera:I mean, we've seen that some people get very emotionally expressive about their art.
Christian Rivera:Some people see just the skills as their art form, like just almost testing themselves to see where they can push the limits of A concept or, or.
Christian Rivera:Or.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, it is themes or concepts or something like that.
Christian Rivera:So I think there is some interest for me personally to maybe like disseminate some of that and see which kinds of artists that are.
Christian Rivera:Because I asked you the question yesterday.
Christian Rivera:Does art always have to be emotional?
Christian Rivera:And you.
Christian Rivera:For you, you said it.
Christian Rivera:For me it is.
Molly Darling:And I said for me it is.
Molly Darling:Because it's literally how I figure out my emotions.
Molly Darling:Is more of like a straightforward type a person who just gets a lot of shit done.
Molly Darling:And in my right now, as a teacher, I'm just like, you know, like, I'm getting things done throughout the day.
Molly Darling:When I come to my art, I could make it about perfectionism and about like the skills, and I have those under the surface, but I prefer to just like, let it be messy and kind of figure out what's going on in my inner world, because I don't know.
Molly Darling:And that's how I figure it out.
Christian Rivera:In my mind.
Christian Rivera:There are two main avatars that I'm at least I'm talking to when we're.
Christian Rivera:When to.
Christian Rivera:Who's listening to this podcast?
Chris Lindstrom:Yes, it's the.
Chris Lindstrom:It's the Airbender and the Way of Water.
Chris Lindstrom:Those are the two that are in your head.
Christian Rivera:Yes, exactly.
Christian Rivera:It's.
Molly Darling:That's it.
Christian Rivera:It's the young.
Christian Rivera:It's the young up and coming artist who is learning skills and they believe that they have one sense of what it means to be an artist.
Christian Rivera:And I want to expand that notion of what it means to be creative, to be an artist.
Christian Rivera:And then the other is the person that's heading into this season now, where it's like the Rochester winter, hiding in your basement, creating stuff all winter and needing something to listen to type of person.
Christian Rivera:You know, where it's a little bit of entertainment and education at the same time.
Christian Rivera:I forgot where I was going.
Molly Darling:And inspiration too.
Molly Darling:Like, I think I want.
Molly Darling:I want to continue to document and highlight the really cool projects that are happening that people wouldn't necessarily know are happening because Rochester is so full, full and rich with all of that stuff.
Molly Darling:And I'm really interested in digging into.
Molly Darling:I mentioned collaboration a bunch of times, but really, like, the collaborations that are happening and the projects that are happening that are kind of unexpected and sometimes pass by so quickly that you don't even notice that they happened.
Molly Darling:Right.
Molly Darling:Like this alt bar thing, collaboration.
Molly Darling:I'm curating their walls and it's just like, it's something that I'm doing on the side that's really fun, but it's not necessarily something that you would know is happening.
Molly Darling:Right?
Molly Darling:It's just kind of happening.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah, I think there's a lot of that stuff that's still going on that has.
Chris Lindstrom:It has a very specific local to a place impact, but it isn't seen in the greater picture of what is Rochester right now.
Chris Lindstrom:As, you know, people say it all the time, what is Rochester as an art city?
Molly Darling:Right.
Chris Lindstrom:These are the things that build the infrastructure to have people think that the stuff that is less, you know, the work that goes into it, the.
Chris Lindstrom:The dedication that goes into something that is so local to one place for a period of time.
Chris Lindstrom:But that's.
Chris Lindstrom:That's the roots of how people perceive a place.
Chris Lindstrom:They might not even recognize it.
Molly Darling:Right.
Chris Lindstrom:Until later.
Chris Lindstrom:They might not say, oh, man.
Chris Lindstrom:When I went into Altbar, you know, I really noticed specifically that.
Chris Lindstrom:But it changes how they feel about a place, even if they're not thinking about it.
Molly Darling:Right?
Molly Darling:Yeah, it really is specific to.
Molly Darling:And I think specific to Rochester.
Molly Darling:That's.
Molly Darling:I mean, why we started this podcast in the first place was to document Rochester, New York, specific.
Molly Darling:What's going on and what's happening and keeping almost like a historical record of it, digging into the soil of, like, oh, what's here?
Molly Darling:Like, what's happening?
Christian Rivera:Whenever I'm podcasting this moment, whenever I'm podcasting, I feel like one of those guys that's, like, in a trailer in the middle of the woods, just, like, telling people about how the world's working.
Christian Rivera:Like, and there's something about this specific podcast that feels like, I mean, we are in a house and we're kind of broadcasting out and saying, like, hey, this is what's happening around town.
Christian Rivera:And I think Rochester.
Christian Rivera:What I notice is that I will go and, like, drop off my car to get oil changed or something, and then I'll start walking around, and then I'll walk past, like, an industrial park, and I'm like, oh, there's this, like, interesting thing over here.
Christian Rivera:And I.
Christian Rivera:I would not have known that just driving past the street, I would.
Christian Rivera:I have to be more intimate to the space or I have to know someone that knows the place.
Christian Rivera:There's a lot of word of mouth that, like, you tell me all the.
Molly Darling:Time, podcasting is literally word of mouth.
Molly Darling:Like, that's what we're doing, right?
Molly Darling:And so to that end, using our mouths.
Christian Rivera:We are using our mouths.
Christian Rivera:And to that end, like, every time we're just driving around town and you're like, oh, that's where that place is.
Molly Darling:I say that every Time.
Christian Rivera:We drive somewhere all the time.
Christian Rivera:If there is a common Terb.
Christian Rivera:That.
Christian Rivera:That's.
Molly Darling:Oh.
Christian Rivera:Oh, that's where that is.
Molly Darling:And it's usually because I know them from Instagram, and then I'm like, oh, that's where that place is cool.
Molly Darling:And I'm, like, mapping it in my brain.
Molly Darling:And that's kind of what I want to do with this podcast.
Christian Rivera:Connecting the dots.
Christian Rivera:Connecting, you know, and frankly, personal recommendations, too, for, like, who to go to and, you know, to get your beard elongated.
Molly Darling:Stromi's speakeasy.
Chris Lindstrom:It's a very specific kind of surger.
Chris Lindstrom:Beard elongation.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Christian Rivera:There's a pill for that, too.
Molly Darling:And some of us, like Magnus, are just blessed.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:So what do you have in mind for some of the.
Christian Rivera:Because you're kind of the mastermind behind this, Molly.
Christian Rivera:Like, what.
Christian Rivera:What are some of the.
Molly Darling:Don't tell them.
Christian Rivera:Right.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, you're right.
Christian Rivera:It's discreet.
Christian Rivera:It's my.
Molly Darling:The whole thing with the mastermind.
Christian Rivera:She's real dumb.
Christian Rivera:Everybody, every.
Chris Lindstrom:Everybody that's been listening has really thought every time that the pure chaos that Christian brings.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:To the episodes.
Chris Lindstrom:You know what?
Chris Lindstrom:I.
Chris Lindstrom:That guy's the one planning this.
Molly Darling:I bet that guy's the one.
Christian Rivera:I'm in charge.
Molly Darling:I bet that guy's the one who's.
Christian Rivera:Making sure we give somebody give me a big stick.
Chris Lindstrom:And it's like, that's.
Chris Lindstrom:That's part of the stuff I love is like, oh, there's that.
Chris Lindstrom:And the other side is.
Chris Lindstrom:That's why we get such dynamic conversations, too.
Chris Lindstrom:Is.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah, we need both.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Like, we need.
Chris Lindstrom:We need both.
Chris Lindstrom:Both wolves inside of this show.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Molly Darling:All three wolves.
Christian Rivera:We heard the wolves.
Chris Lindstrom:Now they're cars.
Molly Darling:I don't know.
Christian Rivera:We are car wolves.
Chris Lindstrom:The Ford Wolves.
Molly Darling:I'm trying to take people off the scent of the fact that I'm the mastermind.
Christian Rivera:We are the.
Christian Rivera:We are the audio manifestation of a Walmart T shirt.
Chris Lindstrom:There's one moon.
Chris Lindstrom:There's three wolves, obviously.
Molly Darling:Obviously.
Christian Rivera:And a car going, oh, God.
Christian Rivera:But I do want to ask you what your.
Christian Rivera:What you have in mind for, like, types of collaborations you want to talk about this season.
Christian Rivera:Like, what do you.
Christian Rivera:What do you want to cover?
Molly Darling:Yeah, I have a lot of them in my back pocket already, so I'm also a natural booker and, like, networker, so I've been.
Molly Darling:Not a mastermind.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Molly Darling:No.
Molly Darling:Not fooling anyone.
Molly Darling:I already have a lot of relationships with a lot of folks that are doing really cool stuff, group shows and more obvious art projects.
Molly Darling:Like that.
Molly Darling:But there are also things that are not as obvious.
Molly Darling:Like, I have a couple people that I want to get on the show that are working on a zine together and have ideas to recreate, like an art magazine for Rochester, because somehow that hasn't really stuck as a project.
Molly Darling:And I want to know what people are doing, you know, with their professional collaboration.
Molly Darling:So I started over the summer.
Molly Darling:Another reason we took a sabbatical is because I started teaching full time again.
Molly Darling:So I'm teaching full time art to adults with disabilities at ARC of Monroe.
Molly Darling:And that's.
Molly Darling:That is collaboration all day, every day.
Molly Darling:Because it's like between the five of us.
Chris Lindstrom:Well, and it's not right.
Chris Lindstrom:This isn't like a normal school year thing either.
Chris Lindstrom:Like, this is constant.
Molly Darling:Yep, it's constant.
Molly Darling:And it's people's lives.
Molly Darling:And it's like figuring out on a daily basis between the five arts coordinators where I work that it's like, okay, how can we make this work today?
Molly Darling:How can we put music with dance?
Molly Darling:How can we bring that in with, like, the idea of urban gardening?
Molly Darling:And like, there's all these really interesting ideas that are weaving that I want to talk about.
Molly Darling:So I want to bring some of my professional collaborators in.
Molly Darling:And I'm sure from there more roots and things will spring out of ideas of collaborations.
Molly Darling:And I'm also interested in, like the nitty gritty of how it's going with people's collaborations.
Molly Darling:Because we use that word a lot.
Molly Darling:But what does it mean?
Molly Darling:Oh, yeah, like us texting back and forth for like a month, figuring out when the timing is actually going to work, and, you know, somebody's kid is sick.
Molly Darling:So we have to kind of shift around that.
Molly Darling:Like, what does that actually look like in your real life?
Christian Rivera:I had the kind of COVID curiosity last season of asking people what their definition or what their interpretation of collaboration is.
Christian Rivera:And if you go through that, that first season, you can get a sense of that from the various perspectives of different people.
Christian Rivera:I think this time it's like, how does that literally manifest how.
Christian Rivera:How does the collaboration almost like practically work out?
Christian Rivera:You know, how do you.
Christian Rivera:How are you communicating with each other?
Christian Rivera:Like, you know, because I think of.
Christian Rivera:I mean, for me, I've always been just like a solo graphic designer creator.
Christian Rivera:I've worked with clients, and most of the time, collaboration with clients is.
Christian Rivera:Is.
Christian Rivera:Is a lot of concession.
Chris Lindstrom:Yes, sir.
Chris Lindstrom:No, ma'am.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, it's a lot of like, will.
Molly Darling:You make this pop?
Christian Rivera:Yeah, I have this amazing idea.
Molly Darling:You don't change anything.
Molly Darling:And just send it.
Christian Rivera:And I have this beautiful design.
Christian Rivera:And they're like, can you put my kids third grade drawing in this?
Christian Rivera:Like, I guess I have to.
Molly Darling:Why not?
Molly Darling:You know, sure.
Christian Rivera:But collaboration is this.
Christian Rivera:It's this.
Christian Rivera:Like, you know, sometimes there are egos involved in terms of its intensity, and sometimes it's easygoing.
Christian Rivera:And so, like, just these different.
Christian Rivera:I'm always looking at the relational dynamics, and I think that's really fascinating to see how that'll work out with the people we talk to.
Molly Darling:Yeah, absolutely.
Molly Darling:So it's like a little more.
Molly Darling:It's always been getting into more of the personal, nitty gritty stories, but I'm really interested in that.
Molly Darling:Like, I'm really interested in what that looks like as creatives in Rochester, like, how do we navigate the very real.
Molly Darling:Like, it's gonna be winter soon for a long time, and we're all gonna have feelings about it.
Christian Rivera:You know, we're kind of doing the video game trope of, like, the second iteration is, like, involves Two.
Christian Rivera:It involves two people or two characters.
Christian Rivera:You know, Sonic 2 was like Sonic.
Christian Rivera:Now there's Tails, like, different characters.
Christian Rivera:So I don't know.
Molly Darling:I want to interview some Sonic and Tails duos.
Christian Rivera:Yes.
Christian Rivera:Well, I do want to talk to video game designers and creators.
Christian Rivera:I haven't really had that conversation.
Christian Rivera:Like, that's something I'd be really curious about.
Molly Darling:There are a lot of them here.
Christian Rivera:Like, the white whale for me was wrestling.
Christian Rivera:Was talking to, you know, I forget his name, actually.
Christian Rivera:Matt Mattock.
Christian Rivera:I'm bad at names in general.
Molly Darling:Ground zero.
Christian Rivera:But ground zero was really great to talk to and really get to know that situation.
Christian Rivera:So, you know, video game designers, I want to talk to voice actors.
Christian Rivera:You know, these are things that may happen, may happen down the line.
Christian Rivera:You have a list in your head, but I'm just naming my curiosities.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:And I'm.
Chris Lindstrom:I know.
Chris Lindstrom:What I'm looking forward to, too, is like, you know, splitting it up a little bit because, you know, scheduling interviews, like, we talked about is hard.
Chris Lindstrom:I want to do more of these where we just sit for 20 minutes and, you know, we do just a small topic that we won't.
Chris Lindstrom:We can't not get to 20 minutes on anything.
Chris Lindstrom:But I'm looking forward to that too, because I really enjoy these conversations because, you know, getting to spend time with both of you has always been such a delight, and getting to talk through this stuff has been.
Molly Darling:We love you too, Stromi.
Chris Lindstrom:It's been.
Chris Lindstrom:It's been great for.
Chris Lindstrom:Great for all of us.
Chris Lindstrom:I think to, hey, let's sit and just really talk about stuff.
Chris Lindstrom:And it's the.
Chris Lindstrom:These are the ones, you know, I was talking to behind the glass with the last one we did topics ended up going to a very conversational spot.
Chris Lindstrom:It wasn't really about the work as much.
Chris Lindstrom:We just ended up having a lot of conversation.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Riffing and those.
Chris Lindstrom:Those are the ones, you know, that sometimes kind of grab you and like, oh, boy, I'm working through something.
Chris Lindstrom:I don't even realize that I'm talking through, like, how much these things mean to me, because, hey, we're.
Chris Lindstrom:Life is stressful.
Chris Lindstrom:Everything else is going on, and I.
Chris Lindstrom:I'm just a, you know, head down, keep on going kind of guy.
Chris Lindstrom:And then when I'm recording the show, I finish.
Chris Lindstrom:I'm like, oh.
Chris Lindstrom:And I like, actually.
Chris Lindstrom:I actually do the, like, oh, wow.
Chris Lindstrom:That was.
Chris Lindstrom:That let go of so much of how up and how tight I was.
Molly Darling:Right.
Molly Darling:You're literally releasing and expressing something.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:And this is the.
Chris Lindstrom:This is the space for me where I get to have those conversations.
Chris Lindstrom:And it's not even about what I'm feeling, but just being in a place where we're just all together talking about stuff, even if I'm not talking that much, it.
Chris Lindstrom:It's the.
Chris Lindstrom:These are the spaces where I think we all can feel a very special kind of way.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:I mean, that's what I'm excited about.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:I mean, for me, personally, I mean, I came into this episode today, like, in a real mood, to be honest, and this helps me get out of my own head.
Christian Rivera:It's really great to just chat and see what comes forward, because I don't even know until I start talking.
Christian Rivera:Much of the time, that's just a personality thing.
Christian Rivera:But for Molly and I, we're, like, psychology nerds, and we've been coaches, so inevitably, these kind of, like, you know, psychological topics come come up sometimes.
Christian Rivera:Like, it's just curious.
Christian Rivera:Curious of me to see what.
Christian Rivera:What just kind of emerges as we just start talking.
Molly Darling:Might be fun to, like, riff off of.
Molly Darling:Like, we'll do an episode where we're interviewing people, and then the next.
Molly Darling:Next episode or two, we're just, like, chatting about what came up for us.
Chris Lindstrom:I think that would be a blast, because I.
Chris Lindstrom:I know I've ended up unpacking a lot of these episodes with people later.
Molly Darling:Right.
Chris Lindstrom:Because they.
Chris Lindstrom:They kind of hit me in a very specific way.
Chris Lindstrom:Or something came up that changed the way I saw Rochester.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:And getting to work through some of those things.
Chris Lindstrom:You Know, live, you know, I.
Chris Lindstrom:I work through things by talking.
Chris Lindstrom:I don't.
Chris Lindstrom:I don't work.
Chris Lindstrom:I work to solutions in my head.
Chris Lindstrom:I don't necessarily work through everything.
Chris Lindstrom:I work through it talking.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:And, yeah, I mean, this is.
Chris Lindstrom:It's so great to, you know, be starting to get more behind the studio door out there again.
Molly Darling:Heck, yes.
Chris Lindstrom:And, yeah.
Christian Rivera:Well, it helps us to know what you're resonating with as the listener.
Christian Rivera:Like, what.
Christian Rivera:What's interesting is that.
Christian Rivera:Is that an interesting idea to hear us, you know.
Molly Darling:Yes.
Molly Darling:Tell us, say things to us about what you feel about the podcast.
Christian Rivera:Or do you just want me to make noises?
Christian Rivera:Because, you know, I could do that.
Molly Darling:Because I would say one of the best episodes from season one ended up being Sean Dunwoody.
Molly Darling:And it was so funny because in the moment I was, like, frustrated that I couldn't get us all on topic.
Molly Darling:But listening to it later, after you process it, you're like, oh, that was fucking great.
Molly Darling:We talked about nothing and it was fantastic.
Christian Rivera:I had only met Sean once before and it was just a lot of fun how much we vibed and I just.
Christian Rivera:It's great.
Christian Rivera:You just get the.
Molly Darling:This illusion.
Christian Rivera:Different chem.
Christian Rivera:Obviously, we have a really great.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Molly Darling:Illusion.
Christian Rivera:You know, the three of us have a really good rapport.
Christian Rivera:And I think when another person comes in, it's always a bit of a mixed bag.
Christian Rivera:You know, it.
Christian Rivera:It's us adapting to the situation.
Christian Rivera:Someone who's maybe quieter or someone has a lot of energy and he brought.
Chris Lindstrom:The big sillies and you just.
Chris Lindstrom:It just popped you right away.
Christian Rivera:Oh, my God, I was so excited.
Christian Rivera:I love big silly.
Molly Darling:So then it is like a collaboration in real time of like, oh, okay, maybe this person's a little more quiet.
Molly Darling:We need to, like, draw it out of them a little more.
Molly Darling:Or it's someone like Sean who brings the big sillies.
Molly Darling:And we're all like, okay, well, we're just gonna ride this luge wave.
Christian Rivera:And I think the three of us.
Chris Lindstrom:Riding the loose wave, but I think.
Christian Rivera:That to that point, like another Walmart T shirt.
Chris Lindstrom:It's something that I've always really enjoyed about doing the interviews is how.
Chris Lindstrom:How dynamic and obvious because we've all done it enough time where we're all pivoting in the moment and we never have to say anything about it.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah, it's.
Chris Lindstrom:It's always very enjoyable when, oh, obviously this one's going to be like, oh, you've known each other for a long time.
Chris Lindstrom:This a different relationship.
Chris Lindstrom:I have my Role changes that day and having that ability where we don't have to plan, we don't have to do it ahead of time, that it's just, oh, oh, I.
Chris Lindstrom:Obviously backing off.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:And like, oh, that's when you're going in with more things and then we balance it along the way.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:It's so much fun.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Molly Darling:It's very gratifying.
Molly Darling:The.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Molly Darling:The three of us have a really good creative relationship.
Molly Darling:I feel where it is really satisfying in the moment where people would never know.
Molly Darling:It's like, oh, okay.
Molly Darling:We're all just flexing and flowing behind the microphone.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:This is a very meta perspective on collaboration.
Christian Rivera:You know, it is like, you know.
Christian Rivera:Know, it's going forward and pulling back.
Christian Rivera:And I think, you know, when some people get very eager in their career, they.
Christian Rivera:They or they want to start stepping into leadership or something, they start going too hard and too fast, or they become.
Christian Rivera:They've been raised to be very kind of meek and quiet.
Christian Rivera:And I think finding your version of flex and flow, like, how much you have to step in versus how much you have to pull back, like, you know, I'm getting kind of in a preachy teaching frame, but in the moment, you know, I'm thinking of.
Christian Rivera:I'm thinking.
Christian Rivera:I immediately thought of, like, kind of the.
Christian Rivera:Again, the young person avatar who is, like, trying to figure out how to do that.
Christian Rivera:Because, like, for me, I've never been a people person.
Christian Rivera:When I was a kid, I actually, through media, had to really learn this to learn the craft of talking on camera, on YouTube and podcasting and all of this stuff.
Christian Rivera:It really helped to train the ability to show up.
Christian Rivera:So I had to.
Christian Rivera:I had to, you know, push the throttle forward and actually show up.
Christian Rivera:And that felt this way.
Christian Rivera:Even getting into this episode where I was like, okay, I got to turn the energy up because I am very low.
Christian Rivera:I gotta meet you guys where you are.
Christian Rivera:And, you know, we're just kind of.
Christian Rivera:It's this wave.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Christian Rivera:It's been.
Christian Rivera:I mean, this has been a fun episode.
Molly Darling:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah, It's.
Chris Lindstrom:It's fascinating because I lived through a lot of the same thing.
Chris Lindstrom:That's how I learned was through that stuff.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:But, like, for me, it's more like there's a switch.
Chris Lindstrom:I can just turn it.
Chris Lindstrom:I'm ready to go.
Christian Rivera:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:And I love that that's the case.
Chris Lindstrom:Sometimes we'll just get like, hey, oh, down today.
Chris Lindstrom:Right.
Chris Lindstrom:We pick it up right away, and then you find a spot eventually, like, oh, something rolls in your head and you find your spot.
Chris Lindstrom:But we don't.
Chris Lindstrom:You don't need to worry about it because we're gonna pick it up and take the rest of it.
Chris Lindstrom:And hey, sometimes I have nothing to say until I have a lot to say.
Molly Darling:Right.
Molly Darling:I love it if it's an episode where you're just Googling for half the episode because y'all can't see all the.
Molly Darling:Afterwards.
Molly Darling:I talk about it all the time because I get to sit down next to him and see what's on his laptop.
Molly Darling:So he's Googling furiously of something that he has no idea what's going on.
Christian Rivera:Oh, this is going to be a.
Molly Darling:Great episode once Dromy gets back into it.
Chris Lindstrom:Yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:So while we're wrapping up.
Chris Lindstrom:So we have.
Chris Lindstrom:We have a few new shows starting on the network and we've got a music show for from the Sound called Nights.
Chris Lindstrom:And Weekends, we have a new show from the Murphy siblings who are doing Murphy's Rank the World.
Chris Lindstrom:It's Megan Murphy Sky.
Chris Lindstrom:I don't know if they changed their last name.
Chris Lindstrom:And then Tim.
Molly Darling:Heck, yes.
Chris Lindstrom:So it's.
Chris Lindstrom:I listened to the first test episode.
Chris Lindstrom:It was beautiful.
Chris Lindstrom:Chaos.
Chris Lindstrom:They're all chaotic in their own ways and they amplify their own chaos.
Molly Darling:We should definitely have the other podcasts on the show to talk about their creative process.
Chris Lindstrom:You're gonna love talking to some of them.
Chris Lindstrom:It's gonna be a delight.
Chris Lindstrom:And then, sponsor of the network, Sweet Pea Plant Based Kitchen, Ryan Jennings, is doing a show called Shelling Peas that is starting.
Chris Lindstrom:He's like 15 recordings deep already.
Molly Darling:Heck, yeah.
Chris Lindstrom:So that's going to be launching in the next next few weeks, and we're.
Chris Lindstrom:It's a very exciting time to be doing this kind of stuff and excited to have you both back in the studio.
Christian Rivera:Yeah, it's good to be here.
Christian Rivera:It's nice to get out.
Molly Darling:Thanks for having us in your speakeas.
Christian Rivera:Damn head.
Chris Lindstrom:Damn that head.
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